Tuesday, January 5, 2010

Why I don't ride two year olds....

I often get people trying to convince me to take their two year old into training and who try to argue with me about my policy about not riding them at that age. (Equally though I get people praising me for this policy.) I know that race horses are started that young, as are futurity horses, but that is not my market and I prefer to train for the long term, and follow the principles of classical training which have found that horses train better, and last longer if allowed to mature and develop unencumbered by a rider until 3 or 4 years of age.

My own horses are lightly started at 3 and a half, and then brought into regular work at age 4, but if a customer wants their horse started at 3 I am ok with that, but I do not find that those horses end up any more ahead than the ones started that little bit later by the time they are 4 or 5.

Recently I had someone email me wanting to come to Hillside for lessons to prepare her "mare" for dressage showing this year. Her goal was training level and perhaps some first level in 2010. The age of her horse? Not even 3 years old yet! When I replied that I didn't feel comfortable asking that much of a young horse she came back with "I understand if you don't feel qualified". Yes...that is what I said...

But I digress.

The common justifications are typically: "My vet ok'd its joints" or "race horses are started younger" or "he's big, he can handle my weight".

First off, vets don't take a "when to start young dressage/jumping horses 101 class". In fact, almost all the research North American vets study, and almost all the cases they follow are based on the racing industry! An industry where people are thrilled to have the horse last until 7 years of age!

Some owners just ask the vet if the knees are closed and use that as the test to see if the horse is physically ready to be ridden...but the horse matures from the bottom up, so the knees may be mature, but the upper joints and spine are not....and you sit on the spine/shoulders, so perhaps it makes sense to wait until they are closer to done growing to put weight on them. And if you think about it, the bigger the horse, the more the joints will be "open" so the more risk to them, so the more the taller horses should be held off training until older.

You can read more about how horses mature in this wonderful article:
Dr. Deb Bennett's Article

The excuse that race horses are started younger is another annoying argument. Race trainers need to start their horses young as the money is when the horse is 3 years old...by 4 they are past their prime, and not that many horses race past 5; usually they have either earned a spot in the breeding shed, or have gone on to other careers such as riding horses or dog food.

There was a study funded by the racing industry a little while ago to try to justify the early starts. They looked at a number of horses and looked at when they broke down vs when they started racing...and found that a high percentage of the horses that were racing past age 7 were racing at age 2. Some people took this to mean that racing at 2 was GOOD for them. The problem with this study was that they didn't take 100 random horses and start some of them for the track at 2, and some at 3, they just studied them after the fact, and didn't take into account when their training started, just when it was they first raced. Gee, isn't it possible that the reason most of those horses that didn't race at 2 where still trained to race at 2, but broke down mentally or physically and that is why they didn't race that year?

People can always find facts to justify their position, but I think it is important to question those facts if the position offers them financial gain.

So...why don't I ride 2 year olds, or ask 3 year olds to do 1rst level dressage? Because at that age they are physically not developed enough to support the weight of a rider without tensing their back (gee, maybe this is why I don't have horses buck when I first ride them...). At that age their joints are more prone to injuries and damage to the cartilage. Damage that people often turn a blind eye to as it tends to not affect the horse until its early teens, but it isn't it better to wait a year and have a sound horse an additional decade?

Maybe if people stopped training their riding horses so young, people wouldn't look at a teenage horse as old and we could save money on joint injections.

Karen

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

YAY KAREN!

You forgot the "it is less distance to fall off a two year old and harder for them to buck you off because they are smaller" excuse!

Amanda

Hillside Stable said...

I did forget that! I imagine that is particularly true if you are the typical 200 plus pound man that tends to start the futurity Quarter Horses...

Karen

Anonymous said...

Also a good note,in Europe where dressage rules a lot of times they don't start the BIG warmbloods till they are 4 or 5!! I think if you want to do dressage right, take a look at the people who perfected the sport and see what there doing?? I have yet to see an ex-race horse go down centre line in Olympic dressage!! Don't be in such a hurry, riding is an art, it takes time!!
Christine

Unknown said...

Totally agree - which is kind of ironic considering I started a 2 yr old in the fall, at 27 months. I felt pretty guilty about it, but with all the factors in that situation, don't really know what else I could've done to sell her (the economy in general, plus her attitude, her size - looked like a fully mature, muscular pony, but only 13.2hh, and definitely no kids horse!). I did everything I could from the ground with her, spaced out only 10 rides on her (at the sale she was consigned to, that made 11 rides), and was careful to keep things brief. Also, I'm no 200lb+ man - lol; pretty lightweight, with a synthetic saddle... Anyhow, I was soooo hoping that she'd be bought by someone who saw potential in her, and would leave her be for the winter, then start up with her in the spring, and in speaking to the seller, that's exactly what's happening :o)! Anyhow, that's my guilty confession, on a topic I actually feel the same way about! There's a place in Devon, who had videos of several long yearlings for sale, being loped under saddle - THAT really made me sick, because if they were already that far along, how long had they been undersaddle? Just let them grow up a little more, they're just babies :o(!

Michelle said...

Then you have horses who are 3 and a half and look like yearlings.

Maybe this person saw you on Beamer and assumed you trained much younger horses? ;)

The Native Costume is getting sooooo close. It already has fringe, fake jewels, gold thread, coins and beads...Beamer is going to prance SO MUCH. I'm going to be adding more embroidered trim tonight, as well as rhinestones.

Anonymous said...

Having been a part of the Standardbred and throghbred racing industry for 6 years..the reason that they have their horses start so early is thats where the money is...two year old and three year old stake races. Big money. Of course 1 out of about 10 makes it to the races without breaking down. and like Karen said they are usually done by 5 years old, if they are lucky.

For riding horses it is different, you have tme to let them grow.

In New Zealand they turn their standardbreds out and run the stake races at 4 and 5 year olds. There are a lot of Standardbreds that that are imported here and race until they are until 12 to 14 years old. They are not eligible for stake races here but hey can still make a decent amout of money. It is all about the money.

Janine

Hillside Stable said...

I knew I should have made Beamer a bumper sticker saying he was 3 years old! Hillside will send a contingient to cheer you on at any local arab shows, so make sure we know when and where you will be showing off your sparkles!

TerryLeigh, you are right that sometimes starting them young makes sense for their future...but if it wasn't standard for QHs to be going by that age, then you wouldn't have felt pressured to have her started either...as it is, people would have been suspect by why she wasn't started.

It is a vicious circle for some breeds.

Unknown said...

I guess I'm almost trying to justify here too, but what you said got me thinking - if I hadn't gotten her, she probably would've been started out a lot sooner actually, and most likely in a git-er-broke fashion, by some heavy guy. She is just one example of course, but I was very glad to hear the new owners don't really ride in the winter, and were just going to leave her until spring.

Grady was left until after his 3rd birthday (and then got more time off due to his hoof injury breaking out), and it should be that way! I think he looks a year younger than he is though, so if anyone saw you on him, could be like Michelle mentioned - lol.

Anonymous said...

Karen,

next time you get a call about someone wanting you to train a 2 year old for training, according to article 7.11.4 in the EC rule book, minimum age to compete in under sadde classes at shows is 3.

Michelle said...

I thought that according to EC, all horses "turn" their age on Jan. 1...so that means starting them at two in the summer or fall (some are just BARELY two in the summer), they can compete legally in the next season's shows, which is what most people want.

Maybe it is April 1st? Breed dependent?

I'm screwed either way with Zora...born July 31st and half-draft to boot. She won't be started until at least Fall of 2012!!

'Course, the "old skool" draft people will tell you that if you don't get a draft in harness work at 2, you'll never teach them anything, because they get too strong.

Hillside Stable said...

Tango was born that late too! She was born during the River Valley show they held at Whitemud way back then. We started her the summer of her three year old year, then had the winter off and started showing at 4. She didn't seem any less mature than the other horses her age by then...it all seemed to even out!

Of course the world is ending in 2012 anyway, so really what does it matter? :)

Karen